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Hello, Anita Forsman - Thanks for sharing about your family. I was almost positive that in those unsettled times, she did not simply appear at the train station, but I had no idea what all had to be accomplished for them to be there together. Good show!
About the search function, there were varieties of those (many of the things you would like to do) on the old format. After years of piddling, I could work them all pretty well. Then came the recent Parker Heritage new formatting and the predictable labor pains, and those search functions disappeared. We adms have sent numerous issue reports, and improvements are expected. But to date, I do not know where or what they are, sorry to say.
Reach out to Dolly Parker Kreft Purcell who is a member here at PH. Use Comment Wall and address her by name. She has an interest in Cincinnatus also and may have names of other interested members for you.
And finally, contact Mike Parker, the site owner here at Parker Heritage. You can reach him on the Parker FG#7 group page, the Member list, or by Comment Wall. Ask him about searches and share how you how think they could function. He may have just the information you need.
Patricia Ross Parker, FG#7 researcher
Anita - hmmm, you do know that the site has new programming. Perhaps it has a new process that resends materials upon editing. I'll have to check that next time. Sorry for the bother. Be assured that little or nothing I post is earth shaking, you could miss it all and it would not matter. :) Right now I am messing with new member's Home Page function buttons. Patricia
Patricia,
Something's up with the website. I've been getting multiple emails saying you've commented when you've only commented once. Two came yesterday, one when you did comment and the other a couple of hours later. Today I received two more, one around 10:00 and the second around 2:00. My day is crazy, but I will respond to your question as soon as I have a chance.
Regards,
Anita
Hello again, Anita - Yes, that is right about Isaiah's boy, Benjamin Parker. He was 19. In the same attack that killed Benjamin, a neighbor Luttrell boy was also shot and killed as well as another of Isaiah's sons, Columbus, who was about 16. . I have mentioned that our particular Parker family's line is direct male lineal back through Isaiah to Benjamin, so the event with the Jayhawkers has always been a tragedy to us.
And yes, Reuben Parker married Benjamin and Nancy's granddaughter, Nancy Williams. Reuben Parker was not related to the Benjamin and Nancy Parker bloodline, despite surname and residence in Mississippi. Reuben was, instead, the son of Elijah Benjamin Parker whose family came from Alabama to Mississippi, later then in Louisiana. Reuben and Nancy Williams married in Mississippi, had children; she died, Reuben was in Arkansas with a second wife, more children. Second wife died, then Reuben and his third wife were in Winn Parish, Louisiana where others in the Elijah Benjamin Parker line settled.
With YDNA, today's descendants of Elijah Benjamin Parker are matched into FG#37. Extensive details about children, birthplaces and birth dates, and their subsequent generations are all available if you are interested in that line. Reuben Parker himself died in Winn Parish, Louisiana in 1906. No doubt, at that time, both Reuben’s Parkers and the descendants of our Benjamin all believed they were blood related far beyond the one marriage of Reuben and Sarah Ellen Williams and their children. But no.
The other Benjamin F. Parker b. 1843 may or may not be a child of Sarah Ellen Williams. He could have been the first child of Reuben and second wife Mary Ann Fields in Arkansas, and your further research may clear that up. This is one of several enduring questions about the union of Reuben and Sarah Ellen Williams. Yes, Reuben's son Benjamin was born February 13, 1843 in my data.
And I agree fully about the complexity of it all, but, hey, that's the fun. It WOULD help if there were not so many Parkers and if they all did not give their children the same names.
By the way, sometime when you have a minute, would you please share with me how your Aliece Brooks was in Nuremberg in 1947 and why?
I hope you are enjoying your research..
Patricia Ross Parker
Hi, Patricia. I wish this was as easy as the Scandinavian side of my family tree! The church records they kept were remarkable -- plus they didn't have wars where all their records were destroyed!
Okay, I'm letting the "Franklin" part go, but the Benjamin F continues for a few generations, so I'll keep the "F". While doing some research today, I came across information on Find-a-Grave indicating that a Benjamin F Parker who died during the Civil War had two tombstones -- one in Louisiana and another in Mississippi. Turns out the one in Louisiana is for the son of Isaiah Parker and Dicey Calcotte while the one in Mississippi is for the son of Reuben Parker and Sarah Ellen Williams. Isaiah was the son of our Benjamin Parker and Sarah Ellen was the daughter of Nancy Parker who was the daughter of our Benjamin Parker. I have no idea at this point who Reuben belongs to. Here's the information I sent to the Find-a-Grave contributor:
Hello. I believe this grave marker is for the Benjamin F Parker that was the son of Isaiah Parker and Dicey Calcotte. Here is his military information: Parker, Benjamin F.,Pvt. Co. F, 28th (Gray's) La. Inf. Roll dated May 16, 1862 (only Roll on file), En. May 5, 1862, Vernon, La.
Unfortunately he was a deserter and was reportedly killed by "Jayhawkers" within days of returning home. He was born 5 Feb 1843 and was killed 22 May 1862 -- as the inscription reads: 19 years 3 months 17 days.
I believe the headstone in Vicksburg, MS is the headstone of Benjamin F Parker, son of Reuben Parker and Sarah Ellen Williams. It certainly is a coincidence that they were the same age and killed at similar times. I don't know if 13 Feb 1843 is the correct birth date for him, but the date on the headstone of 5 Feb 1863 would be correct. Please note that the headstone for this Benjamin Parker has a CSA Southern Cross of Honor on it. This would not be the case for a soldier who deserted. The two Benjamin's were 2nd cousins. CSA Benjamin's grandmother, Nancy, was the sister of Benjamin's (first above) father, Isaiah.
Here is the link for the Find-a-Grave site in Louisiana:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=50701656
Here is the link for the one in Mississippi:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=PAR&G...
Patricia Ross ParkerJuly 16, 2014 at 5:18pm
No, Anita, I certainly am not saying that. There is no evidence beyond conjecture that the three men - Jesse, Benjamin and William of Copiah - are blood related as brother or even first cousins. They could turn out to be, of course, but there again is that limb I choose not to go on without some proof.
I am not sure what you mean about the birth dates.
The notion that Jesse, William and Benjamin were full brothers went out some ten years ago with wider YDNA testing . Jesse and Benjamin remain valid YDNA tested males matched into FG#7, but probably in two separate though related family lines. How/ where/ when they relate continue to be questions...
What is lacking is adequate descendant YDNA and any paper trail to prove exactly who William of Copiah was. For him, there appears to be only one known FG#7 tested Parker male whose ancestral claims might go back to a possible son of William of Copiah. Again, no confirmation, just lots of mights and possibles.. That is not enough data to make a Project match. However, William of Copiah continues to be brought into Parker genealogy. His part in the Parker story may come in the future.
On another topic, Franklin as a middle given name of Benjamin Franklin Parker has been disproved, simply not ever supported in any documentation. You can let that go.
Hope that answers your questions.
Patricia Ross Parker
I'm not clear on what you're saying. Is my Benjamin Franklin Parker not a part of FG#7? I've seen that the dates for Jesse and Wm of Copiah are all wrong to have been Benjamin's brothers.
Anita - This may add to Wayne's explanation re: Benjamin Parker:
In 2004 P11 was YDNA matched into the FG#7 which was then very small.. Based on earlier online posts, data to identify Benjamin as Benjamin Franklin Parker and the suggestion that Benjamin, Jesse Parker, and William of Copiah were brothers all found its way into the Project text from various well-intended Parker descendants.
Since then, the Benjamin Franklin name has become understood as wrong, and the three Parker men are now believed to be cousins at best, kinship unclear. They did migrate and live together, that is known.
I have asked Dennis several times to edit those bits from the Project text, and it will happen.
It is, as you and I have exchanged, an ongoing problem with posts and opinions from before YDNA, ca. 2000+. And we do learn and change tour minds, but it does not always find its way into print.
Patricia Ross Parker
The Robert Parker Sr. b. 1754 you list actually died and was buried in Gates Co. NC in 1797. The Gates Co. Robert Parker was not in Mississippi. In addition, his son Robert Parker Jr. died and was buried in Gates Co. North Carolina in 1822. He also was not in Mississippi.
Yes, there was a Robert Parker who lived in Copiah Co. Mississippi and died there between 1820-1830. The Copiah Robert Parker has never been adequately identified. To date, no YDNA tested bloodline has been confirmed for the Copiah MS Robert Parker.
The Gates NC Robert Parker and the Copiah MS Robert Parker were two completely different men.
I am glad that you contacted me about your possible Family Group #7 lineage. But
I do not have enough information on your known immediate family (parents, grandparents, etc.) to provide any further research help..
Patricia Ross Parker, Parker Heritage researcher
You will be glad you purchased the Fouts' book. The complicated proceedings concerning Robert Parker Jr.'s will all cover many pages in several chapters. You can look forward to a lot of time sorting it all out.
In the meanwhile, I look forward to learning how your male ancestral line goes back to Benjamin. My husband Jack is P11, direct male lineal back to Benjamin, as follows:
Jack Parker, P11 son of
Joseph Gibson Parker Jr., m. Ruth Vivian Clark
*Joseph Gibson Parker Sr., m. Cecilia Jackson
Josiah Parker, m1) Martha Rose, 2) Rebecca Nessmith*, 3) Mandy Taylor
Isaiah Parker m. Dicy Calcote, and
Benjamin Parker, m. Nancy Anderson? (maiden name unconfirmed)
From ca. 1930 back, each generation above had numerous three sons, so the Parker surname tree spread widely. My research focus is always on male lineals and YDNA.
The tenacity you promise will definitely be required in this research. It appears that Benjamin came from a hazy parental background in an unnamed section of North Carolina, left and never desired to return. Although he kept his immediate family together and in harmony, Benjamin's roving spirit led them to settle briefly in at least six
different states over a 40 year period. Heavily-timbered rural lands, well away from any other settlements were Benjamin's favored locations.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Patricia Ross Parker, Parker Heritage researcher for FG#7