Ok, so here it is! Now there is a confusing scenario here due to my results. 

I am not showing any PARKER's in my Matches. Yup, none, zilch, zero....

So, now the real search begins. I have a match that is a genetic distance of 0 at the 37 marker level. His name is Weatherly. Which is not in my confirmed paper trails, so far. And his Surname list doesn't match any of my Surnames on my list....so now I am really confused! 

Surnames in his line are: Armstrong, Baxter, Bennett, Fickas, Fremonger, Holdip, Jackson, Johnson, Jones, LNU-Creek/Cherokee, Martin, McDonald, Morton, Ozment, Pegeon, Price, Quinton, Rashfield, Tubbs, Walker, Weatherly

Surnames in my line are: 

  • Bunchek [Poland], 
  • Burger [TN], 
  • Callahan [TN], 
  • Edmondson [TN], 
  • Firszt [Poland], 
  • Hunt [TN],
  • Kaszlewicz [Poland], 
  • Kowalski [Poland], 
  • Lawson [TN], 
  • Lee [TN], 
  • Link [TN], 
  • Mason [TN], 
  • Nichols [TN],
  • Orr [TN], 
  • Parker [NC, TN, TX], 
  • Samples [TN], 
  • Tallent [NC, TN], 
  • Varnell [TN]

So I am beginning to think the reason it has been difficult to find any information on Jasper's father is that Jasper's father was not originally a Parker? Be it that he took the Parker name when coming into TN, was "adopted", had a incorrect paternity (Maury Povich Style - "You ARE NOT the Father!") or some other event. 

Needless to say, not the "easy" path I was looking for to match up. Looks like I am at square one and the search begins again! Also looks like I might have to make a few more field trips out of this to break the walls down. 

Thanks all! 

Robert T Parker Jr, (Rob)

Tennessee Parker est. 1977

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  • Rob,

    The adoption and Maury Povich scenarios you mention are called "non-paternity events" in the world of genealogy!

    When I did my 37-marker FTDNA test 6 years ago, there were no "Parker"s among my matches, only "Park", "Parke", and "Parks". Shortly, I upgraded to 67-markers - and found only more "Park/e/s". Within a few months, I had my first "Parker" match, and have since gained two more. The "Parker"s are among my closest matches, 65/67 for the two who go to 67, and 36/37 for the other one. I also have two "Park"s who match me at 65/67. Of the 24 matches I have at the 67-marker level that FTDNA reports, all are "Park/e/s/er" but two, who are "Gillbanks" and "Barnett". At the 37-marker level, FTDNA reports 31 matches, and again all are "Park/e/s/er" but two, who are "Gillbanks" and "Barnett". Maybe more of your relatives will have their YDNA tested over time, and you'll find new matches, as it was in my case.

    Your listing of all of yours and Mr. Weatherly's surnames leads me to believe you may not be looking at the YDNA results quite rightly (please excuse me, if I am mistaken). From what you've said, the only two surnames you're justified in looking for, based on YDNA, are "Parker" and "Weatherly". The other surnames are probably the maiden names of your mother, grandmothers, great-grandmothers, and so on, which have absolutely no relevance to YDNA. (Although they would apply to the "Family Finder" DNA test, and to a much more limited extent, the "mtDNA" test.)

    You are aware of the Parker Family DNA Project?
    http://web.utk.edu/~corn/parkerdna/

    Happy hunting,
    Ronald Parker
    P192, FG26 in the Parker Family DNA Project
    • Hello, Ronald Parker –

      I was glad to see the good advice you posted to Rob re: relying on YDNA male surnames instead of female ancestral surnames. Hope it will benefit his research.

      Also, like many of us – you have relied for many years on Dennis West’s Parker Family DNA Project record site, associated with Parker Heritage website. So, I want to remind you and other readers that handling of Parker YDNA results has changed.

      In December 2014, Dr. Dennis West made his last updates to the Parker Family DNA Project page. See the following link above for details.

      http://web.utk.edu/~corn/parkerdna/ .

      Since then, Dr. West has been posting only FTDNA-tested results to the FTDNA PARKER site. For results, see the following link:

      https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/parker/about/background

      THE GOOD NEWS IS…..All of the previously added result entries – about 2004 through 2014 – are still archived here at Parker Heritage for your reference. See the yDNA button on your Parker Heritage site Home Page.

      Good luck in your research.

      Patricia Ross Parker, Ed.D.
      Parker Heritage co-admin/moderator and researcher for P11,
      Parker FTDNA Project Family Group #7.





      Hello, Ronald Parker –

      I was glad to see the good advice you posted to Rob re: relying on YDNA male surnames instead of female ancestral surnames. Hope it will benefit his research.

      Also, like many of us – you have relied for many years on Dennis West’s Parker Family DNA Project record site, associated with Parker Heritage website. So, I want to remind you and other readers that handling of Parker YDNA results has changed.

      In December 2014, Dr. Dennis West made his last updates to the Parker Family DNA Project page. See the following link above for details.

      http://web.utk.edu/~corn/parkerdna/ .

      Since then, Dr. West has been posting only FTDNA-tested results to the FTDNA PARKER site. For results, see the following link:

      https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/parker/about/background

      If you have questions, see Dr. West's contact in the Administrators box at the Family Tree link above.

      THE GOOD NEWS IS…..All of the previously added result entries – about 2004 through 2014 – are still archived here at Parker Heritage for your reference. See the yDNA button on your Parker Heritage site Home Page.

      Good luck in your research.

      Patricia Ross Parker, Ed.D.
      Parker Heritage co-admin/moderator and researcher for P11,
      Parker FTDNA Project Family Group #7.
      • Hello Patricia,

        I saw the announcement for the new project site, and gave it a try. There's a nice picture of a glacier! There are nine clickable spots, three of which lead only to ways to give FTDNA more money for tests. I've browsed through the options several times, and haven't found anything that was not available to me without joining the project! I haven't tried to find instructions on using the project, yet, so I should withhold any negative judgement until then. When I couldn't find the information available at Dr. West's old site, I assumed the new one was a work in progress. Six months is not an unusual amount of time for the original site to go without an update! :)

        Can you give me hint? Where should I go to learn how to see information about, say, FG#7 on the new site?

        Thanks,
        Ronald Parker
        P192, FG26 on the old Parker Family DNA Project site
        • Hi, Ronald Parker - You and I -- and the old Project and the new FTDNA site -- may not all be on the same page, so to speak.

          Dennis West maintained the old Project as a labor of genealogical love for those in the many separate groups he formed.

          Joining the project through Dennis was free, but the testing cost some bit. Dennis provided great help to all of us. The test results he analyzed for FG matches were mainly from Family Tree FTDNA, but also Ancestry, and several other YDNA services on the market. Dennis preferred FTDNA's services but was not commercially affiliated with them.

          Over time, it became unwieldy for him to analyze FTYDNA results and try to integrate/consolidate the dissimilar results from the other companies mentioned above. So he aligned fully with Family Tree and moved only the originally tested Family Tree data from the old Project to the new FTDNA Project.

          You may know all of this already, but I hope this progress report helps you see how the FT site came to be. About FG#7 on that site, if you already have a match to FG#26, I'm unsure how the FG#7 info would benefit your research, but my husband's P11 data appears on the FG#7 segments of the both the new site online and the old Project here on PH. P-11's Family Tree test number and passwords are secure and won't be posted here.

          Was your P192 and FG26 match assigned by Dennis? Did you test through Family Tree? Do you have a FTDNA unique testing number? You may have mentioned all of that earlier, but I missed it. There is a FG#26 segment on the new site with two tested entries. Is one of them yours?

          Keep me posted either here at PH or at my email jandpparker@msn.com.

          Patricia Ross Parker
          • Patricia,

            In your first four paragraphs (You and I -- ... new FTDNA Project.) you seem to have perceived a slight toward Dr. West which I did not imply. I have nothing but respect for Dr. West! The link you supplied, which I had previously seen, (http://web.utk.edu/~corn/parkerdna/ ) announces the new FTDNA project, but does not say that the old Project is abandoned. (You seem to have more info about this from Dr. West.) Not intending any criticism, a six month lapse in updating the old site would not be very unusual.

            >"I'm unsure how the FG#7 info would benefit your research"
            Really? Many times, I have found family trees claiming one of my ancestors as a member, only to discover that the researcher has made a mistake, and has a reasonable family tree, but which should not include my known ancestor. If I can see that a tree comes from FG#7, any of my proven Parker ancestors do not belong in their YDNA line. It's called "Process of Elimination".

            >"Was your P192 and FG26 match assigned by Dennis?"
            How else?

            >"Did you test through Family Tree?"
            Yes. 67-marker YDNA, Family Finder.

            >"Do you have a FTDNA unique testing number?"
            121395

            I can't find my way to a view of any family groups on the new site - any advice?

            Thanks,
            Ronald Parker
            • Hello again, Ronald Parker -
              Appreciate an opportunity to respond to your various points:

              - about the abandoned original Project records site…”
              No, Dennis West did not mention to me that the old site was abandoned. Still, until about 12-18 months ago, he was right on top of all updates, keeping everyone posted and in the know. So yes, six months between updates is very odd for Dennis and may speak to a different process altogether. I am sadly braced for the archived data to remain just as it is, without anything new added.

              ---> "...you seem to have perceived a slight toward Dr. West which I did not imply..." No slight perceived. In fact, such did not occur to me at all because Dennis is such a fine fellow, an assessment with which you would surely agree.

              ---> "...>"Was your P192 and FG26 match assigned by Dennis?" How else?
              You personally got yours the best way from Dennis West, so the following example(s) do not apply to you at all.

              But ?how?-- Be assured that droves of Parker aspirants have seen or heard of such code numbers from others and simply adopted them as their own. Although they missed the testing and matching steps, they continue on, believing that the codes really make them kin. They are often puzzled and insulted when genealogy does not work their way. Our PH woods are full of such cases, and you may have already met some in your posting.

              ---> " Yes. 67-marker YDNA, Family Finder..."
              You probably mentioned the Family Tree service/Family Finder category names earlier, and I missed them. If so, based upon the varied test results Dennis accepted for years, it was possible that your test results could have come from Ancestry or one of the other available companies. That would explain why you could not find your results on the new FTDNA site.

              ---> "FTDNA unique testing number 121395" and “…can’t find my way to a view of any family groups on the new site – any advice?

              Now that I know your FTDNA unique testing number, follow the link below

              https://www.familytreedna.com/public/parker?iframe=yresults

              where I am looking right at your John T. Parker entry in segment FG#26. I got to that screen past the glaciers, through the DNA results button and then through the Classic Chart button. If that still does not work for you, let me know, and we can try prayer and fasting. 

              You have a highly verbal style with fine grammar and expression, and I really like exchanging with you. Patricia Ross Parker, researcher for P11 old site
              • Patricia,

                Thanks for the discussion. On my computer, FireFox does not work properly with the new site. There is absolutely nothing on the page below the glacier picture. Things are entirely different with Internet Explorer!

                Ronald
  • Patricia/Wayne/Dennis-

    Thanks for your insights, they have been very helpful and informative. I definitely have some scouring to do to figure this out, but that is all part of the fun! I really wish there were some better records and there may very well be, somewhere. Just got to look, right!?

    I know where a good portion of the family is buried as well and there might be some type of information with the church there or a family bible that would give some provenance to the line. I have an uncle on my mother's side who has his family tree spread so far based on "gut or matches" to another tree and not a "reality" of history. He added my tree and started saying I was related to Quanah Parker, solely based on the time frame and area seemed close enough to be correct....can't wait to show him how far off his "research" is!

    Thanks for all of your support! Even though I am not an "older or original Parker" by heritage, I am a Parker now and since 1850. Can't wait to see where this leads me!

    Robert T. Parker Jr. (Rob)

    Tennessee Parker est. 1977
  • Hello, Rob Parker - In 1850 TN census, Subdv 26 Bradley County, p. 126 see the Aaron (E.Marion?) Parker and wife Rebecca you have mentioned. As has been noted, he is twenty years older than Rebecca, so she must be a second wife, perhaps nee McClintock and married in NC?. The children listed there may be mainly hers while the other Parker adult sons with families living nearby (see another Aaron next door, for example) would have been by the first wife. Both of the Aaron/E.Marion wives may have been named Rebecca, unclear, but hinted at by marriage records. Such repeats were not uncommon.

    And before and after that census page, in great numbers, see also many families surnamed Witterly (sic) on the census but corrected to Weatherly by modern Ancestry.com transcriptions. They were all around and close to the Aaron you mention as your ancestor.

    Hope you are making headway in your research.

    Patricia Ross Parker, Parker Heritage researcher
    • If Patricia is right and there is a second wife who brought children to the marriage, those children may have taken the surname of the stepfather, without any official record of that surname change - For what my opinion is worth, I think this happened quite a lot prior to about 1900.
      Dennis West
      PARKER DNA coordinator
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